}); Im honestly not trying to tell people that everybody on that list is a problematic asshole, as Ive said before, Heechul is one of my ultimate biases and I dont think hes a problematic asshole. When people see my profile pic on Instagram and see that I'm a black Moomoo , they always try to use it against me saying that I must not care about the black community if I still support them. Personally, I come from a Chinese household with really racist, sexist, misogynistic, and homophobic beliefs. You are entitled to your own opinion, and if what Mamamoo has done is considered too ignorant or rude for you to support them anymore, that is 100% in your right to not excuse them for it. As for the Kris thing, Im aware its Heechuls opinion, but considering Kris left for very valid reasons (and was practically being abused by SM, as it seems many of the Chinese members were) I would say that it could be consideredproblematic to call Kris disrespectful for leaving, especially after all the shit he got from fans and the members themselves. This, combined with their Immortal Song wins, truly demonstrates just how much of an impact Mamamoo has, as their reach goes far beyond just kpop. (but if you need the actual fan account to knock that off, i guess ill find someone who can give that to you. I'm not dismissing them or overlooking them, but I know that there was no ill intent in what they did and that they're doing their best. #1. Yeah, the first thing international fans do is hear that Mamamoo is bad and that they shouldn't like them, and then they jump in on the hate without doing their own research. 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During their concert on Friday in Seoul, Mamamoo released a. However, this became a lot more unlikely when a second video was released, titled censored version, which did not include the supposed autism comment. She was singing song lyrics from Melon (a Spotify-type South Korean streaming website), lyrics that had the n-word in them. 2) Its a good thing that people talk about suju being problematic? Yeah, the first thing international fans do is hear that Mamamoo is bad and that they shouldn't like them, and then they jump in on the hate without doing their own research. But this often means the backlash is swift and severe anytime she puts out new content. lesbians ranked Irene and Seulgi as #1 and #2 female idols. I love mamamoo their song i miss you is what got me into them as that song made me really sad but their songs hit different and Moonbyul is such a tomboy and i love her, I love how Moonbyul dominates this poll lmao, Moonbyul isnt even my bias anymore but I cant switch my vote so yep go dominate girl. Mamamoo themselves wrote: We were extremely ignorant of blackface and did not understand the implications of our actions. hitType: 'event', They apologized. #AskHwasa. I'm a fairly new Mamamoo fan and I was hearing a lot about them being super problematic towards black people(so being black) I decided to some research to find out. I will put just a fraction of some of the hate comments they receive every day down below. Ill probably look for another video of the same segment at some point but I dont have time right now. Im not sure anyone will read this post, Im not sure if any of the people upset by my actions will read it (because I doubt they are following this blog) but I felt like I owed everybody an apology. window.googletag.pubads().addEventListener('slotRenderEnded', function(event) { Nobody is saying you cant like these idols, everybody messes up at some point, but dont call other people sensitive just because you might have a higher tolerance level. If you have anything else you wanna add/say, my ask box is open, but I probably wont reply until tomorrow because I really need to go to bed. Another thing referenced against Hwasa is the occasion she dressed up as a clown. If a celebrity said something homophobic 5 years ago but is now a huge activist in the lgbtq+ community, its likely that they were just ignorant and have learned since. I read something the other day that said we forgive the people not the actions which I think is a accurate way of thinking. If other fandoms are able to trend Mamamoo/Hwasa hate comments, it will distract from the messes that other fandoms are currently dealing with. Im glad that people find this blog useful and Im glad some of the posts have helped raise awareness and educate people about the offensive things idols do, but this blog requires a lot of time and energy and knowledge that I just dont have. Group. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), Dark smudges of makeup were put on her face to represent dirt that the beggar character had on him, and people accused her of doing blackface for it, even though she was portraying a Korean character, and not someone of African descent. What are your thoughts? ga('ads.send', { }); Mamamoo's Hwasa has come under fire more than once after accusations of racism and cultural appropriation. 21 Feb 2023, 07:29 PM. Press J to jump to the feed. Even if it was a joke or a passing, it wasnt very funny. As I am not muslim (and Im not sure if you are or not) I feel as though its not really up for me to say whether or not its offensive ora reach. (I read your tags) I hope you dont mind me reblogging this, If you do please just tell me and Ill delete it. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), Meanwhile for girl groups it's just full of hate comments even if they did not do as many or as severe problematic things as boy groups. okay so people seemed to find my exo masterpost pretty helpful and Im very aware that suju arent exactly the least offensive group around, so (since the YFIP one isnt very up-to-date) I thought Id make a super junior masterpost since Im a suju fan and I want to provide helpful resources for other fans. There are many areas where I am still ignorant and I think I have a bit of an issue with talking over people, a bad habit I really need to break. The other day it was revealed that two major idols were dating, and before I had even seen the news article, I was in a Mamamoo fan group-chat, and someone sent out the link of the dating news with their comment under being, be on high alert for hwasas tags. They never went into these situations with the intent of hurting or offending anyone. Like who is the next ethnicity youre going to offend? Im still slightly dubious because I dont have the whole video and Im a cynical person but I would like to sincerely apologise for any misinformation I have spread, as it is honestly not what I intend to do with this blog. hitType: 'event', She embraces her skin and body, even though it doesn't fit neatly within traditional notions of what is considered 'ladylike' or 'beautiful' according to South Korean standards and prefers to pen songs about empowerment. 1 2 3 4 5 Maria29 Kpop Rookie Member Joined Dec 6, 2022 Messages 38 Location Houston Tx Credits 141 Jan 25, 2023 #81 I did watch the video when it was up but it was a while ago and I dont remember exactly what he said. }); mamamoo has been giving neck to neck competition to redvelvet but kpop fans always considered redvelvet above them because redvelvet is a sm group but now its time to accept the truth.. Mamamoo is easily gonna out live redvelvet, mamamoo members have resigned and will continue for long meanwhile redvelvet is pretty much done after irene scandal and no news of members re-signing because they . i know you deemed your siwon thing heavily unreliable but even the fanvideo is wrong. Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa. Most of the controveries are from a while back (solar imitating her senior, the strawberry jam song). when something is scripted) or it is something they did along time ago and havent done since. Someone might think its petty or ridiculous but theres no reason for people to put up with something offensive if they dont want to. Not speaking Korean and being confused about whats true and what isnt? A lot seem to be taken out of context and exaggerated. This thread can't even agree on what Mamamoo did or did not do and yet y'all want to drag them into Blackpink's problematic sh*t to divert the attention, y'all are a damn mess. And while her more recent missteps are nowhere near what she has done in the past, they still, nonetheless, fall in the realm of what many consider offensive. Advanced Faker. During their concert on Friday in Seoul, Mamamoo released a. I was around during Queendom for the durag situation but I don't see that a large issue as one of loves Rihanna wearing them and was selling them and promoting them to all races. hitType: 'event', This page was loaded Sep 23rd 2021, 9:34 pm GMT. Discover short videos related to mamamoo being problematic on TikTok. But she probably could not have predicted that an #AskHwasa hashtag could have drawn out some of the worst Twitter drags in recent times. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), Also of note, Mamamoo participated in and won the 2019 Queendom, coming in first place against such idols as (G)I-DLE, AOA, Oh My Girl, Park Bom, and Lovelyz. Honestly there is nothing wrong with what they said. It is absurd. They received their first music show win in 2016 with Youre The Best and have since gone on to win dozens more, ending 2019 with a combined total of 41 music show wins, making them one of the most highest winning girl groups in history. media-tech companies with hubs around the world. My mom would like to know" while another asked, "Is mama Africa a good name for you? Someone texted back, Its about to get worse, they will try to trend another hate tweet. MAMAMOO () is a four-member girl group currently under RBW. Mamamoo are good, genuine people. It is continued bashing and harassment of four girls, who for all accounts dont deserve it. But i was told online that even after apologised that they did it again but I couldn't find anything that showed that the only thing I found was Solar doing a beggar impersonation SNL in 2016 but that's not blackface or colourism as I have seen people try to argue, as homeless do get dark or tanner as they are unable to clean themselves properly and are outside all the time. if(document.querySelector("#google_image_div")){ Its kinda iffy, and as a trans & queer person it definitely rubs me the wrong way :-//. 4) I included the hijab thing for Heechul because I saw muslim fans point it out and say that it made them uncomfortable. I forgot how toxic Kpop fans can be Like you all know, Mamamoo has a pretty small fan base (internationally) compared to some other idol groups. We all make mistakes and Mamamoo is no exception. And that isnt even getting into the worst of it. The Radish Farm (Mamamoo Thread) This is going to be safe space for everyone who wants to talk about Mamamoo. One tweet asked, "What we feeling today -er or -a? Everyone seems to think that the world revolves around them. With the Henry thing, I also understand where youre coming from. If you haven't, let me enlighten you. yeah Id probably classify myself as a pacifist, thought I understand the use of violence in self defence or sports that require violence (MMA, boxing, etc.). As for the criticism of my post in your tags, I still feel like it was appropriate to include the Kris thing, though I understand why some people dont think its offensive/problematic. Sorry this got a bit long but I appreciate you responding. Coming in at last place is the debut single of NMIXX, O.O.This song now also holds the distinction of having the lowest average in the history of KSOTY. JavaScript is disabled. Thats not true. eventAction: 'click_image_ads' So many public figures coming out and vouching for Mamamoos talent and success only continues to prove their worth and value to the world. My anxiety and paranoia are bad enough as it is but they shoot up every time I post on here, leaving me feeling sick when I cant check my inbox (or when I have lots of messages) and paranoid that everybody hates me/this blog. i just dont love all the stuff they say/do. And the answer is simple: Hwasa has been their scapegoat for years now. Threads: 200. Why was that her fault? However it did look dumb not going to lie not a good look and hopes she does not it again. Regardless, a fan who thinks that its not a problem isnt going to hold it against Heechul, the point of the post isnt to make you hate the idols (Heechul is literally one of my ultimate biases) its just supposed to be informative. Having said that it was still wrong but I don't acquite it to a minstrel show or it have been in a mock manner and I am glad that they apologised and have learnt from that. }); But I wanted to post this just to show that colorism in VIXX is a major problem, it has been happening since debut and has continued up til now, is something that has majorly affected Hakyeon (and is not just "a fun inside joke") and is something that every single other member is guilty of. MAMAMOO's Hwasa is a cast member in the MBS reality show I live Alone (literal translation). They debuted on June 19, 2014 with the mini album Hello . My hiatus is indefinite, but its unlikely Ill be running it again any time soon. The controversies surrounding Mamamoo sometimes hurt for sure, because you can tell that theyre pretty genuine in who they are without putting on too much of a show, arent out to get or hurt anyone, and are capable of realizing when they have made mistakes. Refresh the page,. All this being said, Mamamoo is truly know, not as huge award/reality show winners, but as an idol group of the people. It took years to unlearn what was taught to me, become more informed, and develop my own beliefs. The Official MAMAMOO 18+ Thread - The Bar (18+) - OneHallyu Hello everyone, in honor of MAMAMOOs super awesome comeback for their sassy title track, Um Ah Oh Yeh, from their Pinky Funky mini album, I have decided to create a 18+ thread for the sexy ladies of MAMAMOO. my bias is varied between moonbyul and solar Hip is one of my most played songs ever You must log in or register to reply here. It arguably began around late 2018 Windflower era, when antis began to change Mamamoo's music video titles to racial slurs and death threats. Korean girl group Mamamoo apologized Saturday after a video clip aired at their concert that featured the quartet in blackface. While MBC later clarified that the outfit was meant to be a glamorized version of the sauna outfits worn by South Koreans, particularly a style that Hwasa herself has worn before, many thought the outfit was far more similar to an African one than a Korean sauna look. To be honest, I wish Id made the suju post more like the exo one, because the exo one included a lot of the stuff people are criticising me for leaving out of this one. It has become commonplace to trash Mamamoo and Hwasa in particular, just another meme or joke to let slide. Your question/message will be answered rudely or even deleted if you have not read the FAQ first. I recently saw their variety show where they traveled to Busan and talked a bit about the past and Moonbyul said something that really squeezed my heart (paraphrasing): "We're human. MEAWW brings you the best content from its global team of I also hear about a clown outfit she wore in one of their videos that people again try to say was blackface but how when she's naturally tan and didn't look any different than normal so I was like huh. MEAWW is an initialism for Media Entertainment Arts WorldWide. I'm sure I'm still unlearning a lot of things today. Please feel free to contact me if you think Im missing anything! I found out that they did blackface which is disgusting and heartbreaking cause I really liked them so I stewed on it for a few days and looked again and found that they had apologised that same day 2x and that they also apologised in person the next day concert. Apink made an exciting appearance on the recent July 1 episode of SNL Korea, but one of the show's skits featuring member Bomi has caused a wave of backlash among fans and viewers. Hwasa in 2015 said the n word in a show where she was given the lyrics but being a non English speaker she clearly didn't know what she was saying. I suffer from lots of different mental health problems (I dont want to go too into detail but I have ADHD and also struggle with BPD, bipolar + other issues) and this blog really does not help. The ring around her mouth: Now a ring around someones mouth was something drawn back in the days of blackface to emphasize big lips. Threads: 138. Of course I was disappointed in some of the things they've done and said, but we all make mistakes and they've acknowledged them and apologized. The K-POP idol's vocal talent is considered one of the best in the industry and yet, she continues to receive a great amount of . Some of the stuff I included turned out to be something I misunderstood (for example, the gifset of Siwon) and with other things, I didnt include enough information or included misinformation. I feel like stepping back will give me more time to learn and expand my horizons and less time to speak on topics I dont actually know much about. They are also one of the very few groups to have not only have won an Immortal Songs episode, but won three separate times with Backwoods, Wonderful Confession, and The Dance In Rhythm (this is typically something only done by veteran singers, as idols competing have to win over an all-age audience). Our team is real men., Actually, we are all men, real men ah! They're open-minded and extremely kind people. I dont make these lists with the intent of ruining the idols image or spreading misinformation (which by the way, if I do again, please call me out on it because otherwise I have no other way of knowing). where henry addressed the gay thing (the trans thing wasnt included) and he doesnt seem to have said anything about it worrying him! One tweet under the #AskHwasa hashtag read, "Where did you get ur African auntie outfit from?? You need to Register or Login to view the content. It then grew and grew until every day Mamamoo was receiving complaints about their dancing, calling their vocals fake, and most of all, attacking their looks and hygiene. I did do that on my exo masterpost, but I also spent a lot more time and thought on that post as well. now onto the list: *Anything with an asterisk besides it is a fan account and so may not be entirely reliable, though are usually fairly trustworthy. Its probably my fault for not communicating that clearly enough though. There are so many kids in the . People always said they do so much CA and I tried to find some examples but the only one that again seemed to be twisted was them appropriating Indian culture during AZE GAG but that was misconstrued as it was about Buddhism not Hindu culture even the line is the song is about Buddhism and one of the members is Buddhist so I don't have a massive issue with it. Comes with 1 group photocard and 2 random member photocards out of 8. Zhoumi laughed about the earthquake of 6.8 magniture that hit Taiwan saying When the earthquake struck just then, it was just like playing. Moreover, Zhou Mi even used last years Si Chuan earthquake as comparison, saying: Last year, when we were promoting in China, we also met an earthquake, and it was pretty happy. And Han Geng who was beside him immediately rushed forward to clarify: He (Zhou Mi) doesnt mean happy. However, it was too late, as everything was already recorded by the media. (Photo : Mr. Kim) Apink Chorong was a school bully, New recordings and evidence Revealed [+1,956, -53] As expected, the entertainment industry is filled with kids with such dirty personalities~~~~~. The most ridiculous thing I have heard it that Hwasa try to be black like how by being Confident and unapologetic about her skin tone, clothing and looks cause she radiates hotness. Mamamoo is perhaps most widely-known for writing their own music, their electric stage presence, and constant ad-libs often thrown in to make each stage as unique as it can possibly be. (Also just a little side note, I know people arent aware and I havent specified it on this blog, but please dont refer to me with she/her pronouns! I actually really appreciate people messaging me about stuff and talking it through with me, especially because I actually really dislike conflict (makes me wonder why I started this blog really haha). please read this first, honestly i will not respond to anyone who has not read this first. document.querySelector("#adunit").addEventListener('click',function(){ Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. On top of that, they bash the fans saying we overlook everything and that Mamamoo should have been cancelled by now. Some things aren't even their fault, but ofc they're going to frame it that way (like Wheein saying that she feels like a normal person for making silly faces and people bashing her saying that she's thinking too highly of herself as a celebrity? A subreddit for the four member kpop group, MAMAMOO! Maybe you are just too sensitive?? And this links back to other instances of Hwasa being called out for cultural appropriation, the most recent being her wearing what appeared to be a traditional Nigerian outfit on the MBC show 'I Live Alone'. Thanks for posting this. The following 32 users Like TheSexyTwiMan's post: And then later on she includes a list of problematic things that her favourite (boy) group has done and it's literally 3x as long. : ) : ) Wow! A lot of it is about perspective, and privilege, but also some people have lower tolerance levels than other people. The thing is, it is not just another joke. Idols lives are super scrutinized, and I think many people just forget that idols are real people too. Ive seen multiple times that idols should know better because they have internet access and should know why the n word is bad or why blackface is bad. Mamamoo are good, genuine people. MAMAMOOWA Entertainment2015 Rainbow Bridge World (RBW)MAMAMOOMAMAMOO . Mamamoo ( Korean : , stylized in all caps) [2] is a South Korean girl group formed by RBW (formerly WA Entertainment) in 2014, composed of four members: Solar, Moon Byul, Whee In and Hwa Sa. No it doesnt excuse what theyve said, but its likely that they have changed, which is something everybody does and it should be embraced. heechul just wore a scarf on his head - thats not how anyone wears a hijab properly and white women have been doing that since like the 40s. For example, Ryeowook is another suju member I really like, and I dont agree with him using a picture of Yesung in blackface as his twitter icon whatsoever, I think it was incredibly offensive and insensitive and ignorant, but its not something that has caused me to dislike him. I have a tendency to get a bit defensive and come across as rude/mocking/patronising/self righteous when I dont mean to, which Im trying to work on, but its hard to tell when Im doing it, so I try to avoid argument a lot. kpop problematic carrd! Theyre one of my favorite groups and its kind of annoying to see people say that Im not a fan just because I made the post. 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