The other clip shows him in a bizarre scene seemingly about to shove his dick into Barnabas's mouth. Not an actor, but director Colin Higgins, who directed 9 to 5 (which I'm watching right now) and Foul Play. Is this why we're such bitter old things? I'll make sure of that. Richard Warwick was beautiful in one of the best UK movies of the 60s -- Lindsay Anderson's If. Richard Warwick lip synched "What is a Youth" in Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet. Ruptured Abdominal Aneurysm. He was waiting to invite you to his big debut at Carnegie Hall or some shit so we could all be proud of him. Am I remembering correctly that he was on Bracken's World? cancer; Cemetery. He was a lovely, talented man and had a wonderful partner in EJ Alexander. r195, do you mean Playgirl's own Chris George? We met when he did some fundraising via Edge of Night for the nonprofit animal welfare organization I worked for. I'm really happy that someone started this thread. Some might say r160 that marriage to Anna Massey would turn anyone gay - but she was a revered actress who played lots of old boots and evil spinsters. Whenever I watch the movie version of "The Best Little Whorehouse In Texas" , I.wonder how many of those beautiful talented dancers in the football team locker room number are still with us. The "official" story back then was cancer of the throat caused by his inexperience as a singer in "A Love My Wife", which is the lousiest cover story I'd ever heard. Please click here to get full access and no ads for $1.99 or less per month. Casey Stevens, who played Jamie Lee Curtis' boyfriend, Nick, in Prom Night. I went with this very smart theater friend of mine who leaned over and whispered after the big opening number where you meet all the characters, "The whole house will come down when the little dying Jewish man does his big "To Life!" We all remember Rock Hudson, Liberace, Rudolf Nureyev, etc., but who are some of the semi-famous that we lost during the plague years? Is like when you kill the flowers and the weeds take over the garden. [quote]Lenny Baker had to withdraw from the pre-Broadway tryout of McNally's "It's Only A Play". Robert Drivas - interesting young American actor, also naked in "The Illustrated Man" with Rod Steiger, and in "Where Its At" with David Janssson and DL fave Brenda Vacarro, he also had a small part in "Cool Hand Luke". He . Apparently Keene was always bugging him for sex, promising to give him a blowjob if Robby would suck his dick too. Robby has nothing good to say about him and clearly regarded him as a child molester (Robby never took him up on the offer). So many talented chorus men from the 80's. I wonder if the TV artist Bob Ross died of AIDS. Paul Jabara-he wrote and won an Oscar for Last Dance sun by Donna Summer. Timothy Patrick Murphy is best known of his portrayal of the doomed Mickey Trotter Rays nephew and a love interest for Lucy before hes paralyzed in a car accident with Sue Ellen in the 82-83 season of Dallas; in 1984, he played the title role in Sams Son, Michael Landons semi-autobiographical TV movie about his youth and his struggles with his family. Thanks for that observation, r71. The story of Antony Armstrong-Jones is one of both serious triumph and devastating tragedy. Remi Laurent -- he played the son in the original film of La Cage aux Folles (1978) and died in 1989. Please click here to update your account with a username and password. It's something I do now when a friend dies. btw, did Kim Milford really die of AIDS? This got me to thinking about lesser-known actors (or writers, athletes, etc.) Here's a clip from the MTM episode. I can't remember where i posted them. I'm shocked to be alive, but I feel I must never forget the fucking tragic shit show it was, nor the beautiful lives cut so short. Born to Brainard Leroy and Evelyn (Martin) Arm Ooh, you should see what Robby Benson has to say about Queen Curtis in his autobiography. R148, I was a friend of Gary Bond's. Many film stars made cameo appearances. Rick Meadows- gorgeous man from revival of On Your Toes. Funny but when I first read the press release on Dr. Brandt, his publicist said an "illness " and didn't specify, and the first thing I thought was geez in this day and age people are still trying to cover up AIDS? Stephen Stucker. He wrote a song about his death called "Life Goes On.". Morali and Parker allegedly became lovers and teamed up for Parker's one and only LP, 'Like an Eagle', released in 1979 on Casablanca Records, the infamous Los Angeles label run by cocaine-crazed Neil Bogart. Accidental Drug Overdose. Birthday: November 20, 1890. Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm. John Hargreaves, Australian actor who was in Don's Party died of AIDS. Davis was dying of AIDS and then the wife helped him commit suicide before the the end came naturally. Peter Tramm the substitute dancer for Kevin Bacon in Footloose. The cause of death was "basically just the . Armstrong died at age 95 of natural causes in Studio City, California on July 27, 2012. At his death, he was called "the first great American historian to reckon the price owed in violence, autocracy and militarism." James T. Keane February 28, 2023 People have all kinds of different personal relationships. What about Jim Henson? How did he survive from 85 to 90 alone? Rome. I had such a mad crush on David Oliver. I always thought his fabulously sassy, florid vocal should be performed by Lypsinka. This memorial website was created in memory of Robert Armstrong, 74, born on April 4, 1916 and passed away on April 22, 1990. Oh, that's so sad. He tries to restrain his gayness but it makes him seem even faggier. Can't remember. According to his sister Stephanie, survivors include his parents Robert and Lisa, his sisters Brittany, Krystal, and Stephanie, and his grandmother Joanne. His first play on Broadway, in Is Zat So, gained him the fame to sign with RKO Pathe on a longterm contract. Speaking of, how is Hal Rubenstein still alive? R306, there *is* an F&F button. Died in 198g. Other cast members included Elizabeth Allen, Dennis Cole, Jeanne Cooper, Peter Haskell, Linda Harrison, Karen Jensen, Madlyn Rhue, and Laraine Stephens. R150 No-- I just did a little research and found him, but it turns out he was killed by a cop. I loved EON, and adored all three actors. Let's not forget he was also Johnny Slash on "Square Pegs," with a very young SJP. and I just saw R271's post. Was he the Bufferin or Anacin guy? SANTA MONICA, Calif., April 21 (AP)Robert Armstrong, the actor who brought King Kong back alive from his prehistoric island habitat, died yesterday at a hospital after a short illness. Ian Charleson. [quote]I don't know very much about Diffring's private life beyond the fact that he was gay . I was shocked and saddened to see that he died of AIDS at age 52 in 1997. R.G. You might be interested to know more about Robert Armstrong. That DALLAS actor was so young and beautiful. Such a huge loss of talent all around. However, lots and lots of men in their 30s and 40s died unusually young from cancer or pneumonia :P A high school friend, a talent musician, died of aids. Merrell Jackson, who also starred in the movie version (sang a beautiful rendition of "All Good Gifts") died at 38 in 1991; cause of death was never disclosed. Dennis C. Stewart, the guy who played crater face in Grease. . Emmy and Tony Winner Jeter was more than semi-famous. It was Denham's persistence that led to Kong's capture with gas bombs. Stephen Schwartz was a good friend of Billy Byers. Cause of death: Prostatic hypertrophy . His screen debut was in The Main Event., Among his more famous motion pictures was Blood Under the Sun with James Cagney, Sea of Grass with Spencer Tracy, Paleface with Bob Hope, John Ford's The Fugitive. In the forties Mr. Armstrong returned to Broadway in Sleep No More., Mr. Armstrong appeared in the first situation comedy on television, The First One Hundred Years., See the article in its original context from. for your pointless bitchery needs. Did you know his friend John from NY (also an old roommate)? click ACCEPT. I have the book right here in my bookcase. He was a fucking knockout, for me, perfectly emblematic of what was "young and handsome" in the sixties. The trouble was that he would leave the office about 4 and have a couple at the VFW, a couple at the Legion, a couple at the country club and so on, so that by the time he rolled home about 7:30 he was flying high. He delivered the film's famous final line: "It wasn't the airplanes. He died in 1994. He begins at 3:50. I had never heard this before, so I can't confirm the veracity of the claim. By the way, Raul Julia was a major star not "semi-famous.". In 1978, Parker was introduced to Jacques Morali, the producer and impresario responsible for the Village People, the Ritchie Family, Eartha Kitt during her disco kick (did you know Bruce Vilanch was a co-writer of 'Where Is My Man'??) R173 He was such a neat freak. We are changing the login scheme for contributors for simpler login and to better support using multiple devices. Robert Bradley "Brad" James (June 15, 1962 - November 1, 2012) was an American professional wrestler, better known by his ring name, Brad Armstrong. A lot of people who are familiar with his solo career don't realize that he was also part of the Edgar Winter Group in the early 70s & sang lead on their huge hit, Free Ride (which he also wrote). I mean you know that must be true. He has a wife and two children whom by now must be teens or young adults. They claimed it was "kidney failure." "They say Brad Davis got Aids from a needle transfusion ?". Harry was very careful to never have more than those 2 or 3 drinks. In fact, she went into a funk that some say she never came out of and may account partially for why she divested from her acting career. "Mrs. Nixon and I share the sorrow of millions of Americans at the death of Louis Armstrong. Did Jonathon Scott Taylor die of aids. He documented his slow death from AIDS in the documentary Life and Death on the A List (1996); he died the same year. He and King Kong's co-producer, Merian C. Cooper, died within sixteen hours of each other. He was really good looking. [quote]Musical theatre for anyone with a brain died with AIDS. A good conversation starter. . He and his wife had two children. He wasn't young. Where's the troll who always insists Jill Clayburgh died of AIDS? Robert Cormier's cause of unexpected death on Friday was due to a fall. [There is nothing more tedious than a race baiting troll. On November 1, 2012, Brad was found dead in his Kennesaw, Georgia home. The cause of his death was believed to be from a heart attack. Name: Robert Dale Armstrong Date Born: February 4, 1950 From: Fayetteville, TN War: Vietnam War Service Branch: US Marine Corps Rank: Lance Corporal Specialty: Rifleman Service Group: Force Logistical Command, 3rd Military Police Battalion, 1st Force Service Rgt, H S Company Date Death: January 16, 1969 Cause of Death:. After his death, all these years later, his family have never commented on Julia's cause of death. Tom Villard--You may remember him from 2 GG episodes (one where they are on vacation) or the movies One Crazy Summer and My Girl. I did not mention that I knew the cause of death, but as were reminiscing I said something like, its so hard to see so many people dying so young and his response was, were still in shock. Born: Nov 20, 1890. number then drops dead, somewhere in act 2". He had a couple of big solo hits: Instant Replay in the late 70s and I Can Dream About You in 1984. I was just watching "The Doctors" - the soap on RetroTV - and saw a very handsome actor, Peter Burnell. Although he didn't die of AIDs, he contracted the disease and then shot himself at age 55: handsome actor Todd Armstrong, the lead in Jason and the Argonauts (1963). Become a contributor - post when you want with no ads. Jan. 13, 2017. But thank you for posting R10 and R14, Leonard Frey was not the only Boys in the Band cast member who died of AIDS. [quote]Speaking of, how is Hal Rubenstein still alive? Mark Lester is very much alive. But most of the people mentioned here made the team, but barely got up to bat a few times. He attended the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. The reality is probably much more complex. If the world were fair, he and Jamie would have been husbands. I have only ever seen Joel from the 70s and later, with the moustache. Leave a note. [quote]Brett was gay after his marriage to Anna Massey. r123, he made hot porn. He was only 33 years old. September 9, 2022 by Prinzo. Plot #3545253. Anthony Charles Robert Armstrong Jones; Anthony Charles Robert Armstrong-Jones; Antony Charles Robert Armstrong-Jones, 1st Earl of Snowdon . I thought he had been living with AIDS for 20 years, but it's 30, which is a huge difference. Now it's all amusement park Disney crap with unimaginative staging. He died just sixteen hours before King Kong's co-producer, Merian C. Cooper. Besides, singing on Broadway, Kim Milford also toured as a vocalist with British rock/jazz guitarist Jeff Beck's band in the 1970s. Armstrong studied to be a lawyer but gave it up to manage his uncle's touring companies. Denholm Elliott wouldn't be famous to most Americans, right? [quote]Tom Villard--You may remember him from 2 GG episodes (one where they are on vacation) or the movies One Crazy Summer and My Girl. She had been very upset by Carolyn Jones' death. Robert Armstrong was born on November 20, 1890 and died on April 20, 1973. In 1979, Parker/Nichols became a regular cast member on 'The Edge of Night', appearing for five years as Police Chief, Derek Mallory. Recently watched the movie If. (1968) and was struck by actor Richard Warwick; I was sure Id seen him in something else and sure enough he also appeared in Nicholas and Alexandra (1971) and Sebastiane (1976) interestingly, in all 3 films, his character was implied to be or definitely was gay. In 1953, along with many of his Actors Studio buddies, he was part of the cast of "End As a Man" -- this became the first play to go from off-Broadway to Broadway. I've always found it fascinating how he was able to effortlessly transition from Gay & Straight Adult Films to a mainstream network soap opera (Edge Of Night). Ray Sharkey was so gorgeous. Official cause of death was an intentional overdose of narcotics (assisted suicide). During those times they just used other illnesses to cloak the real reasons but these were sexually active gay men who died young. Robert Armstrong (1890 - 1973) . It appears his mother and ex-wife kept AIDS out of his obituary to protect his young daughter's memory of him. Interestingly, Richard Lester had cast a different boy as Bobby, but several people (probably RW included) told him that the kid wasn't pretty enough, so Lester fired the poor guy and found someone better looking. The club confirmed the heartbreaking news on Sunday evening, adding they were saddened to . It just craves attention. Armstrong first started acting in the stage in 1919 with the production of Boys Will Be Boys. I still get chills. who should have been famous if they hadn't been taken from the world prematurely. Nearly one week after his sudden passing, actor Robert Cormier's death has been revealed as the result of a bad fall, according to The Hollywood Reporter.. Cormier, known for his role as Finn . Robert Armstrong died in 1834, and was buried . Yeah, that video of Michael Jeter is pure joy. r77 This is the first I've heard of it. While there, he was frequently performing on stage with the Carolina Playmakers. Couldn't remmber his name. He died on April 20, 1973, while Cooper died on April 21, 1973. Remarkably, ABC never found out about Parker's double life, (of if they did, excused it as an excess of the times) despite the fact that his XXX films continued to be released as late as 1983. A lot of people who are familiar with his solo career don't realize that he was also part of the Edgar Winter Group in the early 70s & sang lead on their huge hit, Free Ride (which he also wrote). Wife: Ann Neale (m. 1952, div. during pregnancy. As in, right now, my shoulders. Maybe for mud-pie? Vanessa Redgrave's first husband, Tony Richardson (though better known as a director). To this day, his IMDB bio still insists he was engaged to soap actress Veleka Grey at the time of his death and the cause was cancer, -- Brad OHare (Guiding Light, Longtime Companion), -- James Raitt (brother of Bonnie), Broadway musical director, -- Denholm Elliott (A Room With A View), -- Ilka Tanya Payan (Telenovelas + Scarface, Hill Street Blues), -- Joe Megna (Dill in To Kill A Mockingbird), -- Merritt Butrick (Captain Kirks son on Star Trek). When I called his family to let them know we were going to have a tribute, I was referred to his brother. It was sad. Most depressing thread ever. Ernest Ivanhoe Vernon Armstrong; Ernest L. Armstrong; Ernest Robert Armstrong; Ernest William Armstrong; Francis Armstrong; Lay a poppy for 2022. They were friends and occasional fuck buddies. ", that was MARK Lester. R240 What kind of idiot puts dust in a "dessert"? He was buried on month day 1931, at burial place, Utah. OK, that's bizarre and kind of maybe explains why when he came to pick me up for that last/aborted date he took a bath at my place. I must have seen IF a dozen times just for RW. The most beautiful man in the world in the seventies, Hiram Keller (Undercoffler) died of "liver cancer" at home with his family in 1997. Although I wonder, had he lived, how well he would have been able to transition - because even between the early 80s and late 80s/early 90s the style of comedy in movies changed SO much. . The guy who played Al in the Chorus Line movie. Was he on a wire with a harness under his tux? With Brad's death, it was always about AIDS. In contrast to his buttoned-down image on CBS' In the Heat of the Night, Rollins sometimes wore a long, startling wig of dreadlocks when he cruised the North Georgia roads last year in his maroon 1993 Lincoln Mark VIII. William lived in 1861, at address. Seems there are some internet references to Leslie Graves cause of death. Lord Snowdon obituary (British . He got his start in senior year at college writing sketches for a school theatrical, moved on to vaudeville, into silent films, Broadwayand then actionpacked gangster, Western and war, movies of the nineteenthirties and forties. IIRC his first female *relations* came via Victoria Principal well into his adult years and the subsequently married a woman. How about John Matuszak? Cause of Death. Leonard Frey was a gifted comic actor who could do drama as well. The leading cause of death in the UK in 2018 was dementia and Alzheimer disease, accounting for 12.7% of all deaths registered. He told people he was on a microbiotic diet and that his weight loss was was the result of hard work. Advertisement. Did so many actors, and other people in show business, who died of AIDS have their families, and managers etc, go to such extremes to cover up the real cause of their deaths? Armstrong's silver screen career began in 1927 when he appeared in Path's silent drama The Main Event. He started going out on location wearing a wig and women's clothes. And he took off his shirt a lot on AYITL. headed to New York, where his acting career really took off. Ray Sharkey continued to have sex with and infect women with HIV after he was diagnosed. site without all this bureaucratic nonsense, Did TV and movies-- probably '70s and '80s. It's just a dopey show, in my opinion. r62 a 4th member of the original cast died of AIDS -- Rene Clemente, who played Coricopat. end cause. Yes indeed, we too use "cookies." I had to move out and move on. Such dark, shitty days. Sadly, while playing Larry Kramer in a play about the impact of AIDS, he was a major whore. And I was thinking exactly what you were thinking. [quote]It's traumatic for me to read these. In 1942, he was reteamed with Cromwell in Baby Face Morgan, a notable B movie for PRC (Producers Releasing Corporation). The critics HATED it. He also worked throughout the 1930s and 1940s for many film studios. There's an excellent article about Wade Nichols (Dennis Parker) on The Rialto Report, that includes interviews with his family and friends and some great pictures from his pre-fame days. He died in 1988 at age 49 of complications from AIDS. If so, it worked on me. Westwood Memorial Park; Los Angeles County . Robert Armstrong was born in . Didn't Billy Preston die in the last decade? Beth Armstrong Cause Of Death: Obituary. And who could ever forget Michael Jeter as Ethel Merman in "The Fisher King" ? Birthplace: Lawshall. The gayest HORROR ever! EJ told me that Gary watched that episode over and over and loved it. Robert Armstrong, Lord Armstrong of Ilminster, who has died aged 93, was the supreme Whitehall mandarin - discreet, a staunch . Gorgeous German hunk Amadeus August - died in 1992 at age 50. Armstrong studied to be a lawyer but gave it up to manage his uncle's touring companies. It's traumatic for me to read these. Both Larry Kert's and Timothy Scott's memorial services were held at the Winter Garden Theatre, theaters where they had their biggest successes. Later, I turned on tv and it was Oscar night. The initial sort is by something called "STARmeter" with Rock Hudson heading the list. It wasn't until Tom Hanks and Philadelphia that actors (and producers) clamored "I want an Oscar, get me a gay role! not the AIDS. Agreed! . In the 1950s, he appeared as Sheriff Andy Anderson on Rod Cameron's syndicated western-themed television series, State Trooper. He is best known for his appearances with the promotion World Championship Wrestling in the 1990s. He was a heavy drug user definitely, but he was also a sex addict. Gary Bond, aged 55, who died in 1995. Sadly almost six hundred entries including directors, choreographers, and even porn stars. He didn't get AIDS from a blood transfusion. [quote]Micheal Jeter From Evening Shade died of Aids. Although Robert Armstrong starred in more than 100 adventure movies of all varieties, it was this line, spoken as an obituary to a slain 50 foot gorilla, that survived as his most famous film utterance. QUICK FACTS. Not a good guy but hot. Brad was just 50 years old at the time of his death. Armstrong had seen his physician the previous week for an undisclosed treatment, but his cause of death was never publicly disclosed. [citation needed]. On April 20, 1973, Robert Armstrong (actor) died of non-communicable disease. Cookie Mueller. He is survived by his wife Lori and daughter Jillian. Warren Stevens provided the voice of the unseen Bracken. Merritt Buttrick, Kirk's son David in Star Trek II/II, died at age 30 in 1989. Musical theatre for anyone with a brain died with AIDS. I was awed by the number of handsome and talented young men playing the dancing waiters. He was Alfonso Ribeiro's dad on the show. R168 - I guess I didn't read carefully enough because I thought I waste first to mention him, at rwhatever I was. He was born in Plattsburgh, May 8, 1939, the son of Thurman and Laura (Dubuque) Armstrong. Hope it gets off the ground this century. -- Theodore "Teddy" Wilson (appeared on tons of sitcoms and TV shows in the 70s and 80s, esp. No, poor Jim just wouldn't go to the doctor until it was too late. [8] He appeared in 127 films between 1927 and 1964; very prolific in the late 1920s and early 1930s, he made nine movies in 1928 alone. Went out with him once, R126. To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. Jeffrey Mylett, of the original cast/film version of "Godspell", died in 1986 at age 36. Robert Armstrong and 3 other siblings. Ray Sharkey was so hot. He is best known for his work on television, where he has appeared in a number of popular shows. He was gay and eccentric. Robert and his family were well acquainted with Abraham Lincoln, who came to their neighborhood a few years before Robert's death. I don't remember when it happened. In the film, Armstrong co-starred with Helen Vinson, Richard Cromwell and Jack La Rue. Cause of death - Details of the circumstance surrounding our beloved, Beth Armstrong death is not public yet, we will share more as we learn. I never saw him drink more than 2 or 3 drinks.". Armstrong died of a heart attack in his sleep, a month before his 70th birthday on July 6, 1971. Handsome, sensitive young actor. Prior to World War II, in 1940, Universal Pictures released Enemy Agent, about countering a Nazi spy ring. The Most Dangerous Game was filmed at night on the same jungle sets as King Kong, which was shot during the day, with Armstrong and Fay Wray simultaneously starring in both pictures. If you can't find the email you can resend it here. Text size. (There is some disagreement over this, since other bios say he died of cancer from smoking.). Killed on Active Service, Cause of Death AWMM. . [quote]A Chorus Line - and only nominations for the gay roles), I have to correct myself here; looked it up and Sammy Williams did indeed win a Tony for playing Paul in ACL. I can;t stand Swen Swenson's voice singing "I've Got Your Number." Jeffrey's big number, "We Beseech Thee", which was cut from the movie version, Anton Diffring (German actor who played Nazis in many post-World War II films), Bill Beyer, who played Wally on the soap "Capitol". It always went down a treat! I'm shocked that no one's mentioned Legit Actor/Porn Actor/Singer, Dennis Parker aka Wade Nichols yet. I truly hope they find a cure for this (and other) dreadful diseases. cancer; Cemetery. But how David Armstrong died is unclear to some people, so here you can check David Armstrong's Cause of Death. Film Deaths []. Hello. 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